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We've been doing this since 2021, huh?

In this delightfully chaotic episode of Bark Life, Josh and Jahnna dive deep into the surprisingly rich world of electric knife reviews, unearthing comedy gold from typos, unsolicited divorce anecdotes, and one reviewer’s confusion over how knives work. From there, the conversation meanders—often hilariously—through the absurdities of labeling household circuit breakers, the hellscape that is Nextdoor, and the unique energy of middle schoolers right before spring break (spoiler: it involves flying shoes and zero spatial awareness).

But it’s not all laughs—Josh and Jahnna also explore deeper topics like mental health, ADHD, medication journeys, burnout, community, and the growing desire to retreat from urban chaos to the practical solidarity of rural life (possibly Maine, probably not a commune—but who knows?). There’s discussion of history, healthcare, equity, and a little Doctor Who sadness for good measure.

Full of dog snores, dry wit, and genuine care for each other and the world, this episode is equal parts funny, vulnerable, and deeply relatable. Come for the knife reviews, stay for the unexpected heart.

Transcript

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Josh G.  00:10

All right, Edward, you're settled. The blinds are closed. Welcome to Bark Life, a podcast where we examine the inner lives of our internet friends and neighbors for this episode only.

Jahnna Harvey  00:25

Right. And possibly other things, because you never know. 

Josh G.  00:28

Oh, yeah, no, we're gonna, we can do general life updates, of course. I'm Josh. 

Jahnna Harvey  00:36

I'm Jahnna. 

Josh G.  00:36

That's Jahnna. That clacking you hear, if you hear it, is Wrenny the dog. We have here, our producer. Is that his title? 

Jahnna Harvey  00:48

I think we called Otis producer and Eddie our engineer. 

Josh G.  00:51

Okay. The audio engineer is Edward Van Halen Harvey-Groft, produced by Otis, the handsomest 7000 kinds of hound There is. Dog is just dog.

Jahnna Harvey  01:06

Every family needs a dog. 

Josh G.  01:08

Okay, so I guess as a preface. No one cares. But since this is just our podcast about us, we tried to do this last week, and the vibes were off, 

Jahnna Harvey  01:17

Yeah. So we didn't. 

Josh G.  01:19

So we, yeah, we crashed on the couch and played video games, I think…

Jahnna Harvey  01:23

Yeah, took a nap.

Josh G.  01:25

Did some knitting?

Jahnna Harvey  01:26

No. I took a nap. 

Josh G.  01:28

Okay, great. 

Jahnna Harvey  01:29

So the vibes are better. 

Josh G.  01:33

The vibes are fine. We had, I tried not to spoil it all last night when we sort of stumbled onto this idea, but it's not that interesting. I'm sure people have done it before. But we were reading reviews. Jahnna was reading reviews for the…

Jahnna Harvey  01:48

…the Cuisinart electric knife with ergonomic nonslip handle.

Josh G.  01:52

Right? 

Jahnna Harvey  01:52

We should probably say why. Because it wasn't, like, out of the blue.

Josh G.  01:55

Oh no. No, just leave it.

Jahnna Harvey  01:58

No.

Josh G.  01:58

Yes. 

Jahnna Harvey  01:59

So we were watching TV, and one of the challenges in this cooking competition was that they had to use an electric knife in their dish. And I would I was like, “Oh, I have arthritis. Maybe an electric knife would be great for us. It seems to work really well on a wide variety of things.” So I went to look at electric knives, and I started reading the reviews. And the people…they’re interesting.

Josh G.  01:59

I'm sure that there are entire websites and microblogs and grams and toks and things of people who are just like reading fun reviews. 

Jahnna Harvey  02:44

If I didn't teach middle school, I would be absolutely appalled by some of the spelling. For example, this review on the Cuisinart electric knife with the ergonomic handle…

Josh G.  02:54

Yes?

Jahnna Harvey  02:55

…says that they were hoping for something more robist… [sic]

Josh G.  02:57

Ah, yes, robist. [sic]

Jahnna Harvey  03:00

…that would function better with homemade bread. There are a lot of comments that indicate that you can't cut homemade sourdough with this knife, but you can barely cut homemade sourdough with an actual bread knife. So no shockers there. I personally liked the one the best where the comment said that they bought the electric knife, and before the divorce, their husband used it to carve the turkey, and it worked really well. 

Josh G.  03:30

Yes. Okay, so…

Jahnna Harvey  03:34

That was great. 

Josh G.  03:35

So pause for a second and think about that you had to have purchased the knife. I don't know what the time the timeline is here, right?

Jahnna Harvey  03:46

Right? 

Josh G.  03:46

You were married. You purchased the knife as a marital property at some point. At what point are you? Were you divorced when he used the knife to cut the turkey? 

Jahnna Harvey  03:59

No. It said before the divorce. 

Josh G.  04:01

Before the divorce, okay, but when what inspired you, what brought you to the brand website to write a review about how your ex-husband once cut a turkey with this?

Jahnna Harvey  04:14

And it was really good quality. 

Josh G.  04:15

I don't understand. 

Jahnna Harvey  04:16

I don't know. I mean, companies send those emails out, review your product, review your product. 

Josh G.  04:21

Maybe she was cleaning out an old inbox. 

Jahnna Harvey  04:23

Yeah. I don't know.

Josh G.  04:24

They were just like, yeah, we'll take that review. It's positive.

Jahnna Harvey  04:26

yeah. Um. Helen from Grayling, Michigan, who is listed as age 65 or older, commented, it's a nice electric knife for a great price. Rated it four stars for ease of use, but commented they haven't used it yet.

Josh G.  04:43

Oh, good. Well, I'm sorry it's easy to use if you don't use it.

Jahnna Harvey  04:49

Yeah, five stars for quality of the product and five stars for the value of the product, but four stars for ease of use. Have not used it yet. 

Josh G.  04:57

The remaining star’s for when she uses it.

Jahnna Harvey  05:01

Right? This one, anonymous, “Seems well made. This is my third Cuisinart electric knife. I'm disappointed that the old blades would not work with this new handle.”

Josh G.  05:14

Okay, you and I talked about this. That's not funny, that's legit.  

Jahnna Harvey 05:17

It's your dad.  

Josh G. 05:18

Yeah, it is my dad. Oh, it's me a little bit. It is my dad. But also, I like the impulse to make something last a long time

Jahnna Harvey  05:26

But also, it's also not your dad, because he would have, like, jerry rigged it with a rubber band or something and made it work. This one: “The lack of instructions on how to properly and safely use this knife was shocking.” I mean… 

Josh G.  05:42

We were just talking about Ralph Nader. 

Jahnna Harvey  05:43

It's a knife. Like all safety instructions for knives apply. This one goes on to explain: “I have had instructions that were much more clearly delineated for things that could not possibly harm me, and yet, for something as dangerous as an electric knife, your instructions were pitiful. So disappointed.” One star. 

Josh G.  06:07

So that's not so much about the quality of the product. 

Jahnna Harvey  06:09

That sounds like user error to me, and I wonder if there's like a hidden back story: my nephew cut his finger off with your electric knife. Yeah. That was funny. “My sister cooked the turkey for our Christmas dinner and brought her own electric knife..”

Josh G.  06:30

Sick.

Jahnna Harvey  06:30

So this is a rating for somebody else's electric knife.

Josh G.  06:41

But was it good? 

Jahnna Harvey  06:42

Five stars. 

Josh G.  06:43

Five stars. My sister, my sister used this knife. Okay.

Jahnna Harvey  06:52

Much sharper than my 20 year old electric knife.

Josh G.  06:59

My heart, you didn't tell me that one yesterday. It's much sharper, yeah, all of my knives are much sharper when they're new.

Jahnna Harvey  07:09

Weird. We also learned yesterday that if you're cutting what was it? A 25 pound ham? 

Josh G.  07:16

Yeah.

Jahnna Harvey  07:16

It does overheat during the cutting process. 

Josh G.  07:20

I used this to cut a 24 pound ham. It overheated. Okay, yeah.

Jahnna Harvey  07:25

And then we got off track yesterday, talking about…

Josh G.  07:28

Oh, we were on track? 

Jahnna Harvey  07:29

Who cuts a 25 pound ham? But then, I mean, like, a whole, a whole country ham is…I mean, that's…

Josh G.  07:36

You know, I get people have large families and large family gatherings, but I mean…

Jahnna Harvey  07:40

We used to do a whole country ham for our family when i was growing up.

Josh G.  07:44

Dude, are you carving it at the table?

Jahnna Harvey  07:47

No, because we eat buffet style in my family, so we carve it in the kitchen. 

Josh G.  07:51

Okay, take a break. Man, how long does it take to cut? 

Jahnna Harvey  07:55

Nobody in my family has ever owned an electric knife except my mother. “Bought the knife to cut foam rubber. Worked great. Next, I'll try it for its true purpose.”

Josh G.  08:05

I mean, I could do with an electric knife in my workshop. Sure. 

Jahnna Harvey  08:09

The thing about that bothers me, about that one is that why would you use the same knife for your food as for your foam rubber? 

Josh G.  08:16

Yeah.

Jahnna Harvey  08:17

That feels a bit…

Josh G.  08:18

Oh, that's such manliness up and down the street.

Jahnna Harvey  08:22

A bit too dual purpose, yeah, especially for something that only costs, like 30 bucks. Maybe, if maybe you get a second one…

Josh G.  08:30

maybe you get a sawz-all, like, um, bought it for cutting, okay. But see, like at its you're right, you're right. We're using it for two is weird, but like at its core, I like that review, which is, I actually bought this for to use as a workshop tool, not a kitchen tool, yeah, and it worked great. You didn't need to include the part about…

Jahnna Harvey  08:50

…next time I'm gonna use…

Josh G.  08:51

…cutting your food with a foam knife, yeah. 

Jahnna Harvey  08:56

I mean, like knowing that it has an alternative use is super helpful, I think, in terms of a review, much more helpful than a lot of these. Oh, here it is. 25 pound smoked ham.

Josh G.  09:01

Smoked.

Jahnna Harvey  09:01

Yeah, that's a country ham.

Josh G.  09:06

Yeah, right, great.

Jahnna Harvey  09:11

13 pound pork tenderloin needed to switch hands often. Aside from that, it's very noisy. If I still had the packaging, I would have returned it. 13 pound pork tenderloin. I bet it was dry.

Josh G.  09:28

God yes, they didn't brine that tenderloin. That's fine. I had…I've had plenty of laughs already.

Jahnna Harvey  09:35

Oh, we had a couple of these. Um, it sets off my GFI outlet, blows the circuit breaker.

Josh G.  09:42

These are not problems with the knife,

Jahnna Harvey  09:43

No, but I have seen a few of those.

Josh G.  09:47

Oh, but I am going to segue that into since we're out of interesting ones, we labeled our circuit breaker yesterday. Jahnna is in the process of labeling our circuit breaker today.

Jahnna Harvey  09:58

Yeah, that was an…adventure. You would think that testing all your circuit breakers would not take very long, but it took us an hour and 15 minutes.

Josh G.  10:08

I told you. I told you. I thought it would be a whole day thing. I thought we could have spent four hours doing that if we really wanted to.

Jahnna Harvey  10:16

Well, let me tell you, the way our house is wired is, like, unacceptable.

Josh G.  10:25

Right?

Jahnna Harvey  10:27

Unacceptable, um, for example, we have, um, one circuit breaker that controls four outlets.

Josh G.  10:39

In the kitchen?

Jahnna Harvey  10:40

No.

Josh G.  10:40

On this wall? [gestures at front of house.]

Jahnna Harvey  10:41

Yeah, the front wall of the house, four outlets. And then we have another that's a half circuit, one of the divided circuits, four outlets. That seems reasonable to me, four outlets, same wall, front exterior wall of the house. We also have one half circuit breaker that controls literally, a third of all of the electrical things in the house.

Josh G.  11:05

Did you count this out?

Jahnna Harvey  11:07

Because it controls both bathrooms on two different floors at two different ends of the house. It controls your office and also our bedroom—two different ends of the house. It controls our closet, which is in the front of the house. It controls our back hallway, which is in the back of the house. It controls our lights in our stairwells, also the flood lights behind the garage. Also, well, actually, in your office, all of the outlets except for the one on the south facing wall.

Josh G.  11:51

That's right.

Jahnna Harvey  11:52

And then all of the outlets in our bedroom. One of the two ceiling fans in our bedroom…

Josh G.  11:59

Right.

Jahnna Harvey  12:00

…but not both of them.

Josh G.  12:01

Correct.

Jahnna Harvey  12:01

Um, our our clothes closet lights, but not our linen closet lights, which are on a circuit by themselves.

Josh G.  12:10

We can talk about the linen closet lights. That actually makes sense why it is the way that it is.

Jahnna Harvey  12:15

Well, because I was able to figure that out. But there is absolutely no reason why…

Josh G.  12:20

…a third of the house is on one half breaker.

Jahnna Harvey  12:21

…a third of the house with no, absolutely no logic. It's basically every outlet or whatever that was put in in 1990 is on one circuit.

Josh G.  12:31

Yeah, because they did everything cheap.

Jahnna Harvey  12:34

That's cray. And then the linen closet is on two circuits by itself.

Josh G.  12:40

Yep.

Jahnna Harvey  12:41

Um, now we used to have, when we bought the house, there was a jet tub upstairs, and so one of those would have been for the jet tub, but, yeah, that's only one outlet.

Josh G.  12:52

So they ran enough power for a jet tub, but they didn't…

Jahnna Harvey  12:56

…but that's just one regular outlet. It was plugged into one regular outlet.

Josh G.  12:59

Yes, that outlet’s got all the juice, man. I told you, we need a bigger lamp for the linen closet. Okay, you know what? I'm actually kind of over talking about this myself, getting a headache all over again.

Jahnna Harvey  13:13

Yeah, the second ceiling fan in our bedroom is on one of the basement circuits two floors down…

Josh G.  13:21

…but also that ceiling fan’s going away so, well…

Jahnna Harvey  13:30

But also, we tested 16 circuit breakers yesterday, and none of them control the refrigerator that we can tell.

Josh G.  13:38

Well, right? But we may have missed it.

Jahnna Harvey  13:40

Yeah, so we still can't find out where the refrigerator is controlled, and we don't know where the chest freezer downstairs is controlled, because I think it's on one of our mystery circuits. We had three mystery circuits, and I think it's on one of our mystery circuits with an outside outlet.

Josh G.  13:54

Well, we also have to check and figure out which are the outside outlets and everything so…

Jahnna Harvey  13:59

…but then again, the garage flood lights are on the same circuit as the bathroom. So you know, yeah, what evs again, opposite end of the house.

Josh G.  14:12

Yeah. I mean, I…

Jahnna Harvey  14:15

The more I look at this list, the worse, the worse it is.

Josh G.  14:17

Yeah. [Otis leaves] Bye. Yeah.

Jahnna Harvey  14:23

So in the next year or so, we may or may not be looking for an electrician. You got a rec, drop it in the comments.

Josh G.  14:31

Not a wreck with a W recommendation. Just what is in my brain. Yes.

Jahnna Harvey  14:40

Okay, circuit breakers. Then what?

Josh G.  14:42

Oh, god. Okay, so we're still doing reviews, right? Well, I don't read Nextdoor.

Jahnna Harvey  14:48

I don't either.

Josh G.  14:49

Oh, so should we not?

Jahnna Harvey  14:51

I only…

Josh G.  14:52

Does everyone already just know that Nextdoor is a thing?

Jahnna Harvey  14:55

Everybody knows that next door is a hellscape, but our neighborhood in particular, on Nextdoor, like out of the city of Louisville, is just a lot of retirees, lot of white people…

Josh G.  15:10

Almost exclusively white people.

Jahnna Harvey  15:12

Yeah, and there's a lot of nosiness. I believe we've talked about on the podcast before, the day that we were working out in the yard, and someone said that they were so glad that the people who own the house had finally hired a gardener.

Josh G.  15:30

And we were like, yeah, we own this house.

Jahnna Harvey  15:32

Yeah.

Josh G.  15:35

Believe it or not, the bank owns this house on our behalf.

Jahnna Harvey  15:36

Yeah, if the shades are up, because they're not up very often, there are the old lady walkers who will like…

Josh G.  15:44

…arch their necks…

Jahnna Harvey  15:45

…who will crane their necks to try to see inside, because it's like a secret.

Josh G.  15:50

It's just to keep the dogs from yelling at them as they pass the house.

Jahnna Harvey  15:53

Well, more than that it’s to keep Eddie from shredding the furniture, because he's very hard on the soft surfaces.

Josh G.  15:58

We would like to have natural light in our home. I feel that's accurate.

Jahnna Harvey  16:03

We should have gotten the kind in the bathroom. We got the top down and bottom up shade. We should have done that through the house. I mean, it would, would have been more—way more—expensive…

Josh G.  16:12

…but natural light would be nice.

Jahnna Harvey  16:13

Yeah, but at any rate, I don't like the old ladies looking in. We could frost the windows again, which we had done with Charlie. Um…

Josh G.  16:22

Maybe should.

Jahnna Harvey  16:23

Maybe we should.

Josh G.  16:24

Just the bottoms.

Jahnna Harvey  16:24

Yeah.

Josh G.  16:25

I'm not sure that Eddie wouldn't destroy a pillow just for a shadow walking past a silhouette of someone, but yeah.

Jahnna Harvey  16:31

Well, because he can see through the frosted window into the porch pretty well. The former superintendent of JCPS is on Nextdoor looking for a cardiologist in the DuPont area. Should I recommend mine?

Josh G.  16:43

Do you like yours? Oh, sure, go ahead. That's actually helpful. Ask for help and you can provide it.

Jahnna Harvey  16:49

Yeah, um, I mean, I know he's the former JCPS superintendent. I don't know that, like,  everybody on the Nextdoor knows, but I do have a good cardiologist if you need. This is in meadowvale. So this isn't quite our neighborhood, but this is, um, somebody complaining about cigarette butts because they have a corner lot. I don't think cigarette butts are our particular issue. It seems to be takeout cups.

Josh G.  17:18

Yes, gas station cups and takeout cups. Yeah, I don't know why. Is the Limon y Sal restaurant open in St Matthews?

Jahnna Harvey  17:25

It is, I think. I saw somebody going into work yesterday there. That lot, though, is cursed. That's one of those places where in the time that we've lived here, that building—so that corner spot and then the spot where the Mushroom was—have been, like, I don’t know, four or five places a piece but Limon y Sal has another location in town so maybe they’ll…well…Molly Malone’s did too, though. They have a location in the Highlands and  then they closed out here, so I don't know.

Josh G.  18:02

“I had an interesting occurrence today while running on Fairmeade road…”

Jahnna Harvey  18:06

Yeah, he got yelled at.

Josh G.  18:07

I see that.

Jahnna Harvey  18:08

By an elderly man in a car.

Josh G.  18:11

In a white Volvo.

Jahnna Harvey  18:12

In a white Volvo.

Josh G.  18:13

You're on blast, white Volvo guy. I mean, it's not the same guy who came over and started cussing at me about Wren when we first moved here, because he drives a different car than that.

Jahnna Harvey  18:24

He drives an Audi. Also, I think he may be dead, because I haven't seen him in a few years—since the COVID.

Josh G.  18:31

Yeah, me either.

Jahnna Harvey  18:32

So maybe he moved also, because we learned through the neighborhood grapevine, after he yelled at us, that he had just been fired from his job. So…because he worked at that bank on the corner that they closed.

Josh G.  18:44

Oh, he, in my brief experience with him, he was a wholly unpleasant person. It doesn't mean I wish he was dead. I hope that he moved away and got a job somewhere else.

Jahnna Harvey  18:53

Yeah.

Josh G.  18:55

And I hope that he became kinder to people.

Jahnna Harvey  18:57

Well, I hadn't noticed any houses up for sale on Olympic but, I mean, maybe he gave it to his kids or something, because that's a thing that happens in our neighborhood a lot too.

Josh G.  19:09

Well in Louisville generally, right? People pass houses down. Don't you have a colleague who lives in a family home?

Jahnna Harvey  19:17

Yeah? I do. Yeah. All right. So what else do you want to talk about?

Josh G.  19:21

Oh, last week, I did not have my newly/recently prescribed Adderall because my…

Jahnna Harvey  19:30

…series of unfortunate events…

Josh G.  19:33

…yes, my meds provider had the flu. Still had the flu when I finally did get to see her digitally thankfully, because I don't want to breathe her flu air. But…night.

Jahnna Harvey  19:44

Wren’s going to bed.

Josh G.  19:45

Wren’s going to bed.

Jahnna Harvey  19:46

It's nap time.

Josh G.  19:51

And I am feeling a bit goofy, but much better. I think goofy is okay, though, right?

Jahnna Harvey  19:56

Yeah.

Josh G.  19:59

Like silly.

Jahnna Harvey  20:00

Yeah, it was kind of a stressful week all around.

Josh G.  20:02

Yes, it was.

Jahnna Harvey  20:03

Yesterday—or last week.

Josh G.  20:05

Yesterday was terrible.

Jahnna Harvey  20:06

Um, because you didn't have your meds. And then also, we're in the final two weeks before spring break. And if you've ever spent any time with 10, 11, and 12 year old children in the two weeks before break, it is odd at best…

Josh G.  20:27

China.

Jahnna Harvey  20:27

…and completely insane most of the time.

Josh G.  20:31

Post French and Indian War?

Jahnna Harvey  20:33

Yes…

Josh G.  20:34

Which?

Jahnna Harvey  20:35

Well, we…

Josh G.  20:36

Which countries?

Jahnna Harvey  20:37

We were looking at a map. Okay, so I teach fifth grade. US history, right? And we were looking at a map set, one from 1754 before the French and Indian War, and one from 1763 after the French and Indian War. And we were talking about how the colonial possessions had changed because of the Treaty of Paris in 1763 that ended the French and Indian War, right? And I was asking them whose territorial claims were not represented on either map. And the answer that I was going for was Native Americans. And most of my kids got there fairly quickly, but one of my students said the Chinese.

Josh G.  21:23

And it's true, their territorial claims were…

Jahnna Harvey  21:26

…not represented on those maps. And so I did ask him if, in seven months of early US history, we had ever mentioned the Chinese. And he said no. And then very quietly behind me, I heard one of my fifth grade girls go “bzz” because I always tell the boys when they're being particularly silly that there's another brain cell—I'm having another brain cell hit the bug light, and so the girls have started making bug light noises at them whenever they do something ridiculous.

Josh G.  22:05

Every time a little boy's brain rings, an angel gets shocked out of heaven by a lightning bolt.

Jahnna Harvey  22:14

Yeah. I mean, it's just, it's the season, for whatever reason, every year that I've taught middle school, which is 12 years now, for whatever reason, this gap between the time change and spring break is when all the boys go, absolutely doolally. Like the girls keep it together for the most part. And I don't know if this is a socialization issue or if this is a puberty timing issue or whatever, but 12 years of teaching, I've seen it every single year, and they go, absolutely doolally. And the girls start calling them on it, and they'll be like, “Okay, we all just got way stupider in this moment.” Yeah. So we also had Shoegate this past week where one 5th grade boy threw another fifth grade boy’s shoe out into the green space, because obviously that's something you do during class when you're supposed to be doing work. So..

Josh G.  23:23

I mean, first of all, I don't…never mind.

Jahnna Harvey  23:28

And we had a whole group presentation on Friday during our advisory period about body awareness in terms of spatial awareness and not crashing into other humans in the hallway.

Josh G.  23:41

Well, I mean, because, to be fair, in theory, they're changing rapidly, so having that awareness would require constant adaptation.

Jahnna Harvey  23:49

Yes, and it's like, if you've ever raised a big dog from a puppy, like we did Charlie, it's very difficult for them to understand their size in real time in space, which is totally normal, but you have to remind them that they don't know that and that they have to, like, constantly reappraise. But this is also, like, low spatial awareness is also a symptom of ADHD and so, so when..

Josh G.  24:18

Double down

Jahnna Harvey  24:19

…right and kids who have ADHD when they hit puberty, and they start to grow really fast, if they're taking medication, it stops working as effectively. And if they're not taking medication, then everything is just going haywire, like all at once. And so your average 12 year old ADHD child has no idea where their knees and elbows are at any given point in time. Girl, boy, both, neither. They have no idea. They have no idea where their feet and elbows are. They have no idea, like, how big their backpack is. They have, like, no concept of, if I turn this turn really quickly, I'm going to hit somebody with my trombone. Like no concept. So you have to constantly remind them you take up more space than you used to.

Josh G.  25:15

I think this is probably a better argument for, like, why my Boy Scout troop, where I went, where I was a boy scout no longer does the white water rafting? Because, probably not super safe for a 12 year old to be…

Jahnna Harvey  25:36

…well, yeah, because you don't have any sense of like, risk taking appropriateness either. There's no…

Josh G.  25:42

You’re indestructible, because you…

Jahnna Harvey  25:44

…it never occurs to you that you're not, yeah, so, um, but this is, I mean, this is typical of adults with ADHD too. Is that they don't have, like, accurate risk assessment, and they don't necessarily, like, have really good body sense.

Josh G.  26:02

So why do you not tell me about it?

Jahnna Harvey  26:06

Do you hit your head as much now that you take the medicine?

Josh G.  26:10

No, I did burn my arm on the inside of the stove yesterday, but…

Jahnna Harvey  26:16

Well, I do that all the time accidentally. Actually, my problem is catching it, like, right on the edge of the metal and cutting my arm or my elbow on the stove, if I'm in a hurry, so I have to be really careful not to, like, rush.

Josh G.  26:33

It's my fault for not having Wren lie in front of the stove, because if he had been there, I would have been, like, gingerly trying to get around him, and which is what I'm used to doing, if you've seen the photos on Instagram, getting around dog while cooking, but he wasn't there, so I just went too fast.

Jahnna Harvey  26:50

He's helping.

Josh G.  26:51

He is helping. So I said he's my guardian, yeah.

Jahnna Harvey  26:54

He thinks he's very helpful. He thinks a lot of things about himself. He thinks he's very helpful. He thinks he's very sly. He thinks he's very fast.

Josh G.  27:03

Got that good dog brain.

Jahnna Harvey  27:05

Wren is 11 ish, 12 ish. I think we're doing 12 again this year.

Josh G.  27:11

Well, it was 11 again last year, so…

Jahnna Harvey  27:13

No, it was 12 last year. And I think we're doing 12 again. Every now and then we have to adjust, because we actually, like, sit down and do the math. But, um, he is…

Josh G.  27:23

We haven't cut him in half to count his rings yet.

Jahnna Harvey  27:24

Yeah, he is none of those things. He is not helpful. He's not sly, and he's not fast.

Josh G.  27:32

Sly! he has maybe…

Jahnna Harvey  27:35

He's never been sly.

Josh G.  27:36

…Maybe once or twice he has gotten away, but he's never been like, like, Zoe might steal something and not alert you to it. Wren can't do that. Wren has to be like, I took the thing. But then you have to know what a good job he did.

Jahnna Harvey  27:52

Well, when he stole the squash out of the trash. He thought he was, like, running top speed.

Josh G.  28:01

Just getting his his back hips to move…

Jahnna Harvey  28:03

…yeah, and like, he was scurrying. And he was like, Look at me! I got it! But like, he ran straight for his dog bed. So he ran to a dead end. But also I was just kind of like…

Josh G.  28:16

You eat that squash.

Jahnna Harvey  28:17

You eat that squash. I was only putting it in the trash because it was a little off, like, a little soft, and I didn't think we'd eat it before it was, like, terribly soft because you had just gone out of town and but wren was like, I will eat the squash!

Josh G.  28:31

Waiting to see if wherever he pooped those out yields squash.

Jahnna Harvey  28:35

Well, I keep telling you that I think those butternut squash vines are gonna grow freely all around the yard, because, like birds and other animals, the seeds are meant to survive stomach acid, so surely they also can survive the oven and stomach acid.

Josh G.  28:58

Sure.

Jahnna Harvey  28:59

So just the number of butternut squash seeds that Wren ingests in the course, the course of a year…What else you got?

Josh G.  29:12

Um, pills, misery, blah, blah, blah, got some of the work stuff that has impacted the home stuff this week has been just payroll incompetence and over complication and confusion and frustration. I was paid a bonus half of it, or half of it, some of it was clawed back, but not…

Jahnna Harvey  29:34

…about a quarter of it was clawed back, but it was clawed back by halving your paycheck this week, which was really sketch.

Josh G.  29:43

Yes.

Jahnna Harvey  29:44

And probably in violation of Kentucky Wage and Hour law, well, and also sloppy.

Josh G.  29:50

Sloppy, unprofessional, clumsy, awkward, stupid, yes.

Jahnna Harvey  29:54

The whole thing has been very sloppy and unprofessional. Um. Which is, which is a thing, and it's a shame, but there's not a lot that we can…

Josh G.  30:07

Yeah, it's fine. It, I mean, it will be fine because what's happening and what's likely to happen…

Jahnna Harvey  30:13

…it'll all, it'll all be resolved, the right people know, and eventually it will resolve, but it will always leave kind of a bad taste, just like it did when payroll messed up your taxes last year. 

Josh G.  30:25

Same, same. HR director, yeah. 

Jahnna Harvey  30:27

So to a certain extent, we should maybe expect this every spring. But I don't know how many more things that we have that can go well... 

Josh G.  30:41

Something could go sloppy again. It could just go twice, right? And here's the thing, whichever hotel that no one here knows what, which I'm what I'm talking about, but whichever hotel stays within management of my company or does not right, like I have three hotels now. So what are the likelihoods? What is the likelihood that I even continue working with this person, these people I don't know…

Jahnna Harvey  30:41

…could go sloppy… changes every year.

Josh G.  31:08

Yeah? So that's what I mean. You're opening up every time you start with someone new, you're opening up that possibility again.

Jahnna Harvey  31:19

So fun.

Josh G.  31:21

Yeah. HR, professionals coming for you.

Jahnna Harvey  31:25

Well, some people are very well, just a general rule of thumb, some people are very professional and very skilled, and some people are not, and that's just the way the world is.

Josh G.  31:37

Well, I find this kind of amusing, maybe just an interesting observation about myself, like I find myself really more annoyed with your co-workers. And I don't know if…

Jahnna Harvey  31:51

…this is a, well, we've both always been like that. You've always gotten more mad than I do on my behalf, and I always get more mad than you do on your behalf.

Josh G.  31:59

Yeah.

Jahnna Harvey  31:59

It's just like a thing. I'm sure that other couples experience something similar. But I think it's also kind of wrapped up in…

Josh G.  32:00

I was just gonna ask you, is this a self loathing thing? Like…

Jahnna Harvey  32:12

Well, maybe. You and I don't, don't think—I was just gonna say that maybe, maybe it's partly that you and I don't think that, like, whatever it is, like, we'll get it or we won't get it, and we don't really, like, maybe we don't even deserve it in the first place, but…

Josh G.  32:27

…but that's what I'm…

Jahnna Harvey  32:28

we each get, like, get our backs up pretty easily on behalf of the other person. So..

Josh G.  32:34

…this stuff's nuts. You should do something about it, like, that's more stress. I don't want to do something about it, yeah, I mean, that's…

Jahnna Harvey  32:48

…because we’ve both always kind of been like that. I'm like, You can't let them do that to you, that's not fair. And you're like, you can't let them do that to you, that's not fair. But I'm just kind of like, that's the way, that's the way it is.

Josh G.  32:59

Yeah, I don't know, I guess we've done a fair, decent job.

Jahnna Harvey  33:09

We balance each other pretty well, yeah, and it's working.

Josh G.  33:13

So far.

Jahnna Harvey  33:15

I mean, we're, in about what six weeks we're gonna be 22 years in…

Josh G.  33:27

Which is weird, because I'm 29 years old.

Jahnna Harvey  33:35

So I mean, it's worked out so far, you've always looked out for my health more than I have, and I've always looked out for your health more than you have. And…

Josh G.  33:43

Yeah, the tricky part is, I imagine for, I'm gonna guess for you as well, we're both at this point, I mean, it took us to hit 40, but we're both at this point much better about looking out for our own health.

Jahnna Harvey  34:03

Well, I think also we've both realized that the things that we prioritized 10, 15, 20 years ago or not are not the things necessarily.

Josh G.  34:17

Oh, yeah. Well…

Jahnna Harvey  34:19

…right, we’re off the five year plan boat. We're off it. So it's easier for me to look at my life and my existence and think like I actually do need to take care of myself, because I've got to ride this human body for maybe up to another 40 years. And maybe that's true for you as well. And so we don't need as much oversight from each other, because we both realized what we actually need to do, versus what kind of society has told us to do, and all of that. Because, you know, the Buddha says the root of all suffering is craving.

Josh G.  34:59

Mm. I was reading about Buddhism last night because we had been talking about it.

Jahnna Harvey  35:05

I think about this a lot. I'm not…like I told you yesterday, I'm not a very good Quaker, and so I probably wouldn't make a very good Buddhist either, because I have commitment issues, and I am often too much of a free thinker for prescribed thought, but…

Josh G.  35:21

Not a lot of prescribed thought in Quaker

Jahnna Harvey  35:23

Or in Buddhism. But believe me, I would find it, and I would be like, I don't want to. I think it's like pathological demand avoidance or something. But, um, I think a lot about this. I've been thinking a lot about this concept since I read Sapiens, which is where I encountered this distillation of Buddhist thought, that when I ask myself, well, do I really need that? Or do I really need to worry about that? A lot of the time, the answer is actually no, like and as a person with anxiety, that's like a really, kind of groundbreaking position to find myself in. So, um, although, even as a person with anxiety, I have not really, I have not really tended towards, like, anxiety in a kind of traditional sense, like I have some found fears, right? Like, there's some things that I'm legit afraid of, everything that I've in the past, like, had panic issues with. It's always something stupid or it's like nothing at all. It's just like my body rising up against me, kind of like my immune system does from time to time. So I don't even, I don't even…I kind of take that back. I don't even know if I'm really, like, legit, a person with anxiety anymore, because it doesn't really, well, that's not really the word that fits.

Josh G.  36:47

For me, yeah, for me, this is a distinction. And I don't mean this in any clinical sense, because I'm not a clinician, but I just mean, like, the difference between panic disorder and generalized anxiety, right? Panic can be a fit just a physical, like your body is…

Jahnna Harvey  37:04

Yeah, and that's what I take medication for.

Josh G.  37:07

But anxiety is more psychological, not that the brain isn't physical, etc, etc, but it's less about just that physical, like musculature reaction of your…

Jahnna Harvey  37:19

Yeah.

Josh G.  37:19

…human person, like your fleshy person…

Jahnna Harvey  37:22

Yeah.

Josh G.  37:23

Than it is about your constructed person.

Jahnna Harvey  37:27

Basically, I take meds, I take medication to keep my reptile brain in check, because otherwise my reptile brain will be like, Oh my God, this pencil is the wrong color, or…

Josh G.  37:37

This kind of, this conversation kind of makes me want to play Disco Elysium again, except I never get very far, and I always end up frustrated.

Jahnna Harvey  37:43

So I take medication to keep my reptile brain quiet. I don't take as much medication for that as I used to, which is great. Getting older and developing better coping strategies has largely taken away a lot of my generalized anxiety. I mean, I have definite founded fears about like, like founded fears about certain things, you know, especially related to like, the state of the universe and all of these things. But…

Josh G.  38:18

The state of the universe, as in the heat, the inevitable heat death of our solar system?

Jahnna Harvey  38:23

No, because I told you a few weeks ago that I don't actually, like, I'm not bothered about climate change. I think I've read so much geological history that I'm just like, yeah, let the earth take it back. It's our fault.

Josh G.  38:36

I'm not…it's not climate change that is bothering me. I understand how we got here and I we, it is evident the causes, right? There's enough scientific consensus on this and research and whatever. Go do your own freaking research, internet. But it's the humanity of it all. I don't want to focus on how can we undo what we have done to the planet. I want to focus on, okay, this shit is happening. How do we help each other survive it? Do we want to survive it? It doesn't seem like it.

Jahnna Harvey  39:21

Well, I personally am not bothered about surviving it. I am however, bothered by the fact that the people that will be affected first are the people who are most vulnerable, because everything comes for the most vulnerable part first, and that bothers me.

Josh G.  39:39

Definitionally, they are the most vulnerable, right? So…

Jahnna Harvey  39:42

Right? And so that bothers me that nobody will think to protect those people, necessarily, but like, structurally, those people will not be protected. So that does bother me, but like, the inevitable end of the world and burning flames, I'm just like, bring it on.

Josh G.  39:58

Yeah, it's fine. Yeah.

Jahnna Harvey  40:01

You know, giant lava plume, let's do it. The Earth always gets its own back.

Josh G.  40:11

I know no one's…I'm not especially I'm not worried about the Earth, the geological Earth, worried about the habitable Earth, uh, whatever. I mean this is…

Jahnna Harvey  40:27

You know what it always makes me think of. You know that Doctor Who episode with Christopher Eccleston, where they're watching the end of the world and the last human on Earth is just the skin on the frame?

Josh G.  40:40

Yeah? Yeah. Yeah.

Jahnna Harvey  40:40

Has to be like, spritzed. Moisten me. Moisten me.

Josh G.  40:43

I'm gonna say at this point how we're old. So that's, I wanna call that classic.

Jahnna Harvey  40:48

That's probably 10–20, years, 20 years now, yeah? But, um, I always think of that, because I always think, yeah, all those vulnerable people are just gonna be wiped off the face of the planet, and then, like, some billionaires just gonna be tanned on…

Josh G.  41:03

…a frame or orbiting the Earth as it explodes. Yeah.

Jahnna Harvey  41:09

I think about that a lot. I just think about that. I think about that pretty much every time that I come across something where I'm just like, well, there's another person who thinks that the natural laws don't apply. Okay, you be the skin.

Josh G.  41:34

Yeah, I think the point that's that just hangs me up is, okay…

Jahnna Harvey  41:38

I just don't want to be Billie Piper, because I don't want to actually, like, witness the skin. Also, I cried so freaking hard at the library episode when they were like, Donna has left the library and he finds that out, man I, like, lost it. And then I also really struggled with the the Matt Smith Christmas Special, where he tells it's like set in World War One or something in the winter…

Josh G.  42:06

Oh, of course it is. You want to. You want a more depressing, weepy time frame.

Jahnna Harvey  42:12

Yeah, the parent, the mother, is like trying to prepare her kids to learn that their father's plane has been shot down. And he tells them that you have to, he tells her that you have to let them have the happy time so that they know that the sad time will eventually end and they have to have the sad time so they know how good the happy time is. Yeah, so you can't protect them from either of them.

Josh G.  42:31

A classic, yes.

Jahnna Harvey  42:31

Lost it Christmas Eve sitting on the couch at my dad's house. Lost it sobbing.

Josh G.  42:40

And as we know, you don't, you don't read things that make you cry, so…

Jahnna Harvey  42:44

not since Corporations and Other Business Arrangements.

Josh G.  42:47

I was thinking about this, so you don't read things that make you cry, but then I'll leave town and be like, I'm gonna watch a whole season of Call the Midwife. Like, what is wrong with you? What you don't read…

Jahnna Harvey  42:59

It’s so good.

Josh G.  43:00

You don't read things that make you cry, but you watch things that make you cry. Do you like the feeling when you cry? And I don't mean that judgmentally, I do like the feeling when I cry because I did not, like the Lexapro had me so flattened for so long, and before that, the booze crying out of good music or a book or a movie, like, what's the difference between the book and the movie?

Jahnna Harvey  43:02

I just think it's because I read at bedtime. I just don't want to, I don't want anything that I read right before I go to sleep to be too real. Well, yeah, just I don't.

Josh G.  43:30

Can have bad dreams.

Jahnna Harvey  43:31

Yeah, I just don't have the capacity for that. And I have not had the capacity to watch sad things on TV for probably a year or so now also, but, but I definitely just don't want to engage with that kind of stuff while I'm trying to fall asleep. But, I mean, I don't know, so, I…

Josh G.  43:46

We watched Moana, so a few months back now…

Jahnna Harvey  43:49

Probably last year, yeah…

Josh G.  43:51

…and I don't know…

Jahnna Harvey  43:52

It makes me cry.

Josh G.  43:53

I wept through like, a good third of it, probably.

Jahnna Harvey  43:56

I show it to my kids every year, and that always makes me cry.

Josh G.  43:59

But, um, Moana, one to be clear, two I've not heard amazing things. 

Jahnna Harvey  44:04

Well, no. Lin Manuel Miranda, so my seventh graders told me the soundtrack ain't bumping.

Josh G.  44:11

Oh, well, okay, so thank goodness. Um, I need a seventh grade read on that.

Jahnna Harvey  44:16

Yeah.

Josh G.  44:16

How will I say relevant?

Jahnna Harvey  44:18

But, I mean, I don't know the last time that, like, I cried because something was really good was when I cried because of the maple blueberry jam that we had at Christmas.

Josh G.  44:27

I again, I don't think that was, I mean, it was good, but I don't think it was the goodness of it. That is what caused that. I think that was a sense memory, right?

Jahnna Harvey  44:35

Yeah, it made me think of my grandparents and, like, growing up and stuff. That's why, that's one of the reasons why I watch Maine Cabin Masters, too, is because then I get to see all the places that like Cobboseecontee Lake and stuff.

Josh G.  44:46

Did you want to tell the world about your plan to start a commune in rural Maine,

Jahnna Harvey  44:50

Well, it doesn't need to be a commune, but I'm definitely going to remove myself from society to rural Maine, I believe at some point in the future. Or the kind of community that I grew up in, a rural community, because I grew up in a rural community in Maine and also in a small community in Tennessee, that's where my family was from, and I like living in the city, and I love Louisville, but I miss the sense of—and we have a wonderful community here that we've built. But I miss the the kind of sense of this is the this is the only world that matters, like just this small town, just this community, but also I just kind of there's a lot of like literal and metaphorical noise, like background noise in a city that you don't necessarily get in a small town. And the thing I love about Maine, though, is very much like, and farm towns can be like this too, but farm towns are a dying thing. But, um, it's very much this idea of, like…

Josh G.  45:54

Practical community.

Jahnna Harvey  45:55

Yeah, we live here together, and we're going to form mutual aid just out of practicality, like, it's just natural that we would help each other and support each other, and it's just natural that we would be like, don't mess with people in our community. And it's natural to be like, Oh, your rules don't make sense to us, so we won't do that, which was very much kind of the spirit—Eddie’s snoring— which was kind of very much kind of the spirit of growing up in like an Appalachian, well, town too. So I told you yesterday, I was like, we're gonna move to Appalachia, just probably in New England, because that's where all the better health care is. Yeah, I want to go back to the mountains.

Josh G.  46:42

This, this way of thinking, this mindset, reminds me a lot of I assume that she's fine with people mentioning because she has a podcast. Margaret Killjoy is a journalist and trans woman who does history up at the History podcast and writes fiction. And I think I've got one or two of her books, but she is always pointing out, and I think it bears repeating, rural communities are portrayed in, you know, like Hicks and dummies and but I always think of that and this, right, that Andy Griffith episode where she gives him the vaccine he doesn't want to have the…

Jahnna Harvey  47:17

Oh the community nurse. Yeah.

Josh G.  47:19

…right. There's this. There is a more like, palpable community sense of like, No, we all know each other, and whether or not we like each other is kind of beside the point, because we know we all live here together, and rural people are not conservative. They mostly just want to be left alone. Yeah? Well, historically, not necessarily culturally, politically conservative.

Jahnna Harvey  47:42

Yeah, yes, because historically, the government has not done anything for you except mess stuff up, right?

Josh G.  47:48

And Appalachia in particular, not Maine Appalachia, but Appalachia. Appalachia has a…

Jahnna Harvey  47:52

Well, it's all Appalachian.

Josh G.  47:54

…a strong and until I was an adult, unknown to me, history of labor resistance, right? Like coal mining. I'm thinking of the Battle of Blair mountain.

Jahnna Harvey  48:04

Well, but also just look at the long history of mule trains and book women and all this stuff. Okay, we know that our people need access to news. We know our people need access to books because we know that that's how we improve our lives, and that's how we improve our people, but we can't. We also know that we can't get some of our people to the library. So that's where mule riding book women come in. Yeah, right after—was it hurricane Helene?—when it washed out the Appalachians in North Carolina last year, last year, I guess they had, you know, doctors and builders and stuff form mule trains and horse trains, and went up into Appalachia, because that's what you do.

Josh G.  48:47

Yeah, one of my home group members who without, as you know, I'm taking on, retaking on some older responsibilities I used to have with our home group for AA, because the guy who was doing that job is doing, technically, still doing that job is often in relief zones, because he does, you know, humanitarian work. So, you know, he's been in Appalachia this year, and I think California for the wildfires, yeah…

Jahnna Harvey  49:15

And I've heard, I've heard a lot of lovely stories about people trying to help each other recover from the wildfires and stuff. But they mostly the ones—that ones I hear mostly tend to be centered around fundraising.

Josh G.  49:26

Yeah. Well, I know a lot of people who had but, you know, got a lot of help through things like gofundmes and stuff, yeah?

Jahnna Harvey  49:32

But in Appalachia, when there's landslides or whatever, it tends to not be centered around fundraising. It's around, bring us, bring us boxes of diapers, and we will take them up the mountain. Yeah, um, and that, it's like that here in Louisville to a certain extent too. Like, if you want to help organizations here in town, yeah, you can send them money. But also, like, you can send the KHS dog food. Like, we take, like, actual dog food. You can take blankets and sheets to the pound. You can take diapers to La Casita. You know, you can take your used books and go to almost any place.

Josh G.  50:10

Did we do this in the most recent episode as well, where we're like, yeah, no, it's we’re a community aid podcast now?

Jahnna Harvey  50:17

We could be.

Josh G.  50:18

I think there are some already, but…

Jahnna Harvey  50:21

Yeah, I mean, it's a and that is a natural spirit that I grew up with, that I have not really felt—I feel it more here than anywhere else we've ever lived. But I've never really felt that like in a city, sure, like you do in a small town. Now I work in a small school, and so to a certain extent, that feels like yes, because every time somebody has a baby or whatever, in our community, everybody's like, Oh, I had these diapers left over. And they just like, show up. Like we show up for our people. We show up with casseroles, we show up with all this stuff.

Josh G.  50:54

I do, I think I do feel that here more than anywhere else I've lived, even having grown up in Hanover, you had that, but it was already or you had that, but, like, you took casseroles too.

Jahnna Harvey  51:06

I mean, for somebody who grew up near Amish people, there's a very distinct lack of community in your home community.

Josh G.  51:14

Yeah, that's one of those things that, like, there was a while as an adult where I was, like, I wanted to get out of Hanover so bad when I was, you know, 13 to 17, and then…

Jahnna Harvey  51:24

good grief, Edward,

Josh G.  51:25

…and then at some point as an adult, I was like, was it really so bad? But I don't know that it was bad, but it was as a kid, I don't know that I could have put my finger on why, like, this is lame.

Jahnna Harvey  51:36

It's the trap of the middle class.

Josh G.  51:38

Yes, yes.

Jahnna Harvey  51:39

Like, I see it. It's…I have seen it sometimes in my own, like, extended family, right? Like it's the trap of the middle class, this idea that you've taken care of your business, so everybody else needs to take care of their own business. But that is not actually how that works.

Josh G.  51:54

No, you didn't at the end of the day. And I like this as a…

Jahnna Harvey  51:58

Everybody needs a white collar job and a piano.

Josh G.  52:03

Yes, and there are enough white collar jobs and pianos to go around are there not? If everyone, if everyone's worth was determined by whether or not they had a job, the desired unemployment rate would be zero. But there is a target unemployment rate that is non zero. So…

Jahnna Harvey  52:20

Well, there are also people who, you know, want to stay home with children, which is a job and should be counted as such, because that is a full time job, like 100%.

Josh G.  52:32

I know.

Jahnna Harvey  52:34

And so…

Josh G.  52:35

We don't, um…

Jahnna Harvey  52:36

If you adjusted for people who are full time caregivers of children or of older family members or of both, then the actual unemployment rate would be even lower because those people count in the not seeking category, yes, But it's because they are already 100% occupied.

Josh G.  53:02

It takes a village, but we're gonna make you do it by yourself.

Jahnna Harvey  53:04

Yes, yes, absolutely. But I want to, I want to make sure that my life is about embracing the village. And I just, I worry specifically related to Louisville and related to Kentucky, which is my favorite place that we've ever lived. I love Kentucky, and it is, it is my spiritual home. You know, my ancestors are from the hollers of Kentucky and Appalachia, but I worry in the current climate that once we no longer have Andy Beshear as governor, like if we happen to get a Republican governor next that it's going…

Josh G.  53:39

a Blatt Mevin, 

Jahnna Harvey  53:40

…it's going to become untenable for us to maintain our community ties.

Josh G.  53:47

Reader, you could not see her eyebrows when she said the word untenable.

Jahnna Harvey  53:53

given our other needs, like health care and because I am willing. We talked about this earlier when we did our weekly budget revision during family meeting. We are both willing to be more uncomfortable to do things that are morally right. But there is only so much discomfort that we can take on and still stay alive.

Josh G.  54:14

Correct.

Jahnna Harvey  54:15

Each of us.

Josh G.  54:16

I have told multiple people now for various reasons, because I just want to be clear about like, we paid out of pocket last year, above and beyond what our insurance covered. And we both have quote, unquote good insurance, $20,000 in medical.

Jahnna Harvey  54:34

we paid $100 short of what we could deduct separately, so I don't know.

Josh G.  54:39

Yeah, so a large…

Jahnna Harvey  54:42

…or $400 short…

Josh G.  54:43

…and I still do not understand enough about medical insurance and how it works. What I have focused on, because I am tired of trying to make sense of it, is just, how do I milk mine for as much as possible? Because I say milk, because I'm paying for the milk. I want the milk. Okay? I, uh, but like  having had to read through, oh, well, you actually have an out of network deductible and an in network deductible and all of this bureaucracy that's built around…

Jahnna Harvey  55:11

It's built around profit, making it difficult.

Josh G.  55:13

Yes.

Jahnna Harvey  55:13

And we've talked time and time and time again, um, with each other on this podcast with our friends and family and acquaintances…

Josh G.  55:21

Should ask my therapist if she can just start recording so I can save some of it for the podcast.

Jahnna Harvey  55:26

…that you know health insurance should be nonprofit, because you should not be profiting over keeping people alive, which means, because that means that there's a profit calculation in not keeping people alive.

Josh G.  55:39

There is. Have you not seen Double Indemnity?

Jahnna Harvey  55:42

Well, which is…

Josh G.  55:43

[Now I wanna watch Double Indemnity]

Jahnna Harvey  55:45

…which is immoral, you know, to the top, right?

Josh G.  55:49

I know exactly what it says in one Bible verse from the New Testament, and it is Matthew 6:24: God and Mammon. And if Mammon’s just greed—to say that money is the root of all evil is trite, because everyone knows it, but you've gotta just absorb that.

Jahnna Harvey  56:07

Well, the Bible also says to render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and render unto God what is God's, but…

Josh G.  56:12

That means, in that, don't pay attention to what doesn't matter.

Jahnna Harvey  56:15

But in that spirit, though, people and keeping the people alive is not Caesar's.

Josh G.  56:20

No. It should be, if Caesar's gonna be Caesar-ing.

Jahnna Harvey  56:24

Well, but that's so we shouldn't be. We shouldn't be rendering unto any kind of government or company to keep the people alive. because that should be a given. It should be a given that Meals on Wheels is a thing, and that free school lunch is a thing. Like that should all be given.

Josh G.  56:42

Listen, when ICE, or whoever is working as the new American Stasi is coming, here's our address. It is: (because this is some communist [expletive]).

Jahnna Harvey  56:53

Let Joseph McCarthy come out of his tomb and come get me.

Josh G.  56:56

Okay.

Jahnna Harvey  56:58

Because I read a lot of fantasy books and I'm prepared for that.

Josh G.  57:03

Yeah, no, I don't know. We really don't need to get into the semantics of what people call communism, or, for that matter, freedom and democracy. But yeah, no, I think…

Jahnna Harvey  57:15

It's not a difficult concept, though, if my if my 10 year old students can grasp that, like doing what is best for the collective good is what we should be doing, and that, literally, that is what our government is founded on, because the Enlightenment ideal of common good, right?

Josh G.  57:34

Yes, without that, the ideal certainly was not perfect. And why are we adhering to a 300 year old document?

Jahnna Harvey  57:39

I'm not talking about the Constitution. I'm talking about the principles. The Enlightenment principles that made way for a country to turn against its colonial holder, which had never happened before, and to try to set itself up as a model of Enlightenment thinking. We have strayed very, very far from the principle of all to the common good.

Josh G.  58:06

Uh huh. Well, interesting too. Didn't we also adopt a lot of ideals from the Iroquois nation?

Jahnna Harvey  58:13

The Haudenosaunee Confederacy.

Josh G.  58:15

Thank you.

Jahnna Harvey  58:16

We didn't take the good parts, though. We took some of their ideas about how to set up a confederal system, because we have a confederal system in the United States, but we didn't take a lot of the good parts.

Josh G.  58:28

Well, why would we do that?

Jahnna Harvey  58:29

Well, because we don't want to put women in charge. And the logic there, too, was that we didn't have that kind of clan structure, and so it wouldn't work, but, but we did take the confederal system from the Haudenosaunee, because confederal systems weren't really a thing in white governments either before that. And Benjamin Franklin, you know, personally, was very, quite taken with the Haudenosaunee Confederacy all the way back to the Albany Plan of Union before the French and Indian War. But…

Josh G.  59:03

Are you a history teacher?

Jahnna Harvey  59:04

Oh, I might be. And this may have been what I taught my kids like this exact week.

Josh G.  59:10

Oh, good, perfect, excellent. I'm glad.

Jahnna Harvey  59:13

We definitely talked about John Locke and the Enlightenment on Wednesday.

Josh G.  59:16

You and I.

Jahnna Harvey  59:17

No,

Josh G.  59:17

Okay.

Jahnna Harvey  59:18

My 10 year olds who understand this principle that government is supposed to be for the good of the governed.

Josh G.  59:24

To serve the…yes, interesting, and yet…

Jahnna Harvey  59:28

Out of the mouths of babes, they asked, well, but why doesn't it actually do that?

Josh G.  59:33

I think it's Matthew 6:24.

Jahnna Harvey  59:37

Well, I greet your Matthew 6:24 with John 11:35, “Jesus wept.”

Josh G.  59:44

Well, yeah, boy, howdy, we could end with that. That's not heavy.

Jahnna Harvey  59:52

So yeah. I mean, just carry that in your heart. If a 10 year old can get it, you can get it too.

Josh G.  59:58

Yeah. It. Okay, good. Um, anything else, I would say we're happy and healthy, but we're not. We are happy, but we are…

Jahnna Harvey  1:00:10

We're healthy enough and we're happy enough.

Josh G.  1:00:12

Yeah, definitely healthy enough. I'm just, I'm in a, I think, a good spot for continuing to become more healthy?

Jahnna Harvey  1:00:22

No, no. I mean, we're happy enough. We're healthy enough. We're…

Josh G.  1:00:25

Oh, everything is enough. No craving,

Jahnna Harvey  1:00:27

…well, no, but like, we are fundamentally very privileged in that…

Josh G.  1:00:31

Oh yeah.

Jahnna Harvey  1:00:32

In that fashion. And as a result, we have the tools and everything that we need to continue moving forward.

Josh G.  1:00:39

Yes, despite payroll's best efforts/worst efforts…

Jahnna Harvey  1:00:43

Well, but we also have the luxury of being able to argue it through without being like, how are we going to pay our mortgage?

Josh G.  1:00:48

Yes.

Jahnna Harvey  1:00:49

Because there have definitely been times in our lives, and there are many, many other people out there who losing half a paycheck would be…

Josh G.  1:00:54

…devastating.

Jahnna Harvey  1:00:55

Yeah.

Josh G.  1:00:56

I mean, yeah, yes. All right. Well, um, look, if you're listening, get your vaccines.

Jahnna Harvey  1:01:02

Yes.

Josh G.  1:01:02

Or die of polio.

Jahnna Harvey  1:01:03

Well now make sure that you, if you were born after 1957 you need two doses of the MMR vaccine for measles, mumps and rubella.

Josh G.  1:01:11

Your doctor can test for it.

Jahnna Harvey  1:01:12

Your doctor can test it to see if it's still active. I need a second dose that I can't get it because…

Josh G.  1:01:18

…you’re immunocompromised.

Jahnna Harvey  1:01:19

…I take an immunosuppressant.

Josh G.  1:01:22

Oh, we're talking about disability again.

Jahnna Harvey  1:01:24

So I need all of y'all to go out there and get your second dose.

Josh G.  1:01:28

I have some immunodeficiency. That is what caused my pancreas to fail when I was diagnosed as type 1 40 years ago. So also, please vaccinate.

Jahnna Harvey  1:01:37

Yeah, no, I literally injected myself with an immunosuppressant this morning, but as a result, I can't have live virus vaccines anymore.

Josh G.  1:01:47

Okay, good dogs are asleep, but love you. Bye.

Jahnna Harvey  1:01:50

Love you bye.